 [Dave] We’re sitting here in Starbucks on the fourth floor of the Washington Conference Centre, and we’ve got with us Sean O’Driscoll, who is the Regional Manager for the MVP programme for the whole world.So, what do you do, Sean?
Well, as you sort of described, I have worldwide responsibility for the MVP programme, and also how we think about community support for Microsoft.It’s great to sit in a Starbucks in Seattle – we could have picked almost any block in Seattle and happily found two or three.
 [Dave] MVPs are all over the place, whichever direction you look at the moment there’s MVPs. That’s because they’re here for the summit. So can you tell us what the idea is behind the summit? Why do you have an MVP summit?
Well, the summit’s really the official way every year for a face to face way to say thank you. The MVP programme started about twelve years ago as our way to say thanks for the amazing contributions that people make in the technical communities around the world, talking about our technology, authoring content, helping people get more value from our products by answering technical questions.
The summit provides a unique opportunity for us face to face to kind of sit down and reinforce that thank you each year but for me what’s great about the summit is that it’s sort of an ‘un-conference’. You know, lots of conferences you go to, you sit in a room and somebody presents to you Powerpoint, Powerpoint, Powerpoint ……, then some sort of discussion. That’s not a horrible thing - good learning can go on in that.
 [Rich] Dave’s sessions are like that, they’re ‘orrible.
[laughs] There’s always an opportunity for learning in those environments, and networking.What I think is unique about the summit is it’s purely bi-directional, so for example on Wednesday we’ll have a mash up event, which’ll be the first Microsoft’s done a mash up event with external folks, and so I think that’s quite an exciting way for developer-minded people to get together and work collaboratively on projects that’ll end up on codeplex and be publicly available for sharing and living well after summit. We have sessions going on where MVPs are really turning the tables on us and they’re actually presenting to Microsoft people, telling us what we’re doing right and what we’re doing wrong. I think that’s quite exciting, that’s a different kind of event.
 [Dave] So you’ve got MVPs talking to core people?
Yeah, one of the cool events going on is with the mobile devices area, for example. The mobile devices team, with the MVPs, been working over the last month or so to gather top issues that they want to debate at the summit, and they’re going to set up sessions where they all go off individually, putting together a list of priorities that they want to feed back to the product team, saying these are the most important things to work on. I think those kinds of things make this a different environment.
 [Dave] Is that something that could be put out to the other product teams? That sounds like a great idea.
Absolutely. We started that idea at the last summit, where we actually had some of the Office MVPs present formally to the Office product team, telling them about the things that they liked and didn’t like. It was great session – lots of product group people showed up and they were able to participate and being on the receiving end of side of the feedback.
 [Dave] That’s one of the points of having the MVP programme, isn’t it, to provide some sort of independent feedback, from almost a semi-trusted source. Is that one of the ideas behind this? With general feedback, you want to know who it’s coming from, what are their credentials, what is their credibility?
That’s right. The same sort of DNA, I guess it is, that causes people to get involved in community transcends to how they think about providing us feedback. It’s very clear to us that the voice that we hear from MVPs often represents two different kinds of feedback.
One is they’re Power Users of technology and so they’re able to vocalise some of the critical issues that they face using our products. But also, because they’re so engaged in the communities, they’re seeing common issues that people are broadly having with the product, and they can represent that feedback to us, so it’s a great opportunity and I think one of the unique attributes of the MVP summit is over the next three or four days we’ll have nearly as many Microsoft employees participate in the summit as we do MVPs. This says a lot, I think, about the product team’s perception of the value.
 [Rich] How many people are coming to the summit, and from where, because it’s worldwide, isn’t it?
Yeah, and that’s one of the other exciting and unique things about the summit. We’ll have almost eighteen hundred attendees this year, that’s about 25% more than last year. By far our largest event ever, and representing almost ninety countries, with first time attendees from twelve, thirteen, maybe fourteen different countries. We’ll have over five hundred technical sessions for the MVPs while they’re here.
That’s a really amazing collection of people, but I think what often surprises people about the summit is not just the geographic diversity, but also what I would call the role diversity. It sometimes surprises people that the MVP they’re sitting next to has a day job which isn’t as an IT pro or a developer – in fact, the person sitting next to them may be a cardiologist, or roofing contractor, or a tow truck driver, a jewellery designer.
These are all real examples of real MVPs here this week whose day jobs are not really about technology, but whose personal passions and hobbies take them into these communities and make them immensely valuable to others who want to learn about the technology.
 [Dave] How’ve you seen the MVP programme change in terms of how you qualify someone who’s an MVP. Has that changed over the years? Has the accent on certain aspects changed?
It hasn’t really fundamentally changed from the beginning. In the beginning it was always about recognising contributions in the communities. But I guess what has changed is how we’ve defined what a community is. In the beginning most of the MVPs came out of the CompuServe forums. That’s where the programme got its start, largely with a big group of FoxPro passionate people.
The first decade or so of the programme was very focused on the newsgroups, and then about four or five years ago, when I joined the programme, we made some intentional changes. One of those changes was to say look, it’s not our job to define what community is for the MVP programme. Community is really anywhere users want to go and interact with other people to gain insights, whether it’s an offline user group, or a forum, or a blog or NNTP newsgroups.
The programme had to change and become what I call venue agnostic. I don’t really care where the discussion’s taking place, whether it’s on a Microsoft hosted site, a third party property site. What matters to me is acknowledging the value that those experts are brining to the conversation. That was one big change for us.
 [Dave] (looks at Rich) Well, just as well really, otherwise you’d have never got yours, would you?
 [Rich] No, I wouldn’t.
[laughs] So you’re a good example.
 [Rich] Yeah!
Maybe I should change that……
 [Rich] Dave and I both do a lot of the offline communities. We run meetings every month. It’s a considerable investment in your time, whilst you’re less productive because you might drive for three hours to do a presentation and then drive for another three hours back, or we spend hours putting together a meeting. Visually, you might just see us with a user group just churning out answers, but nonetheless there’s considerable effort being put in. So I can see how that’s had to change and evolve.
I think people inherently want to think about the mathematics behind these communities and all the conversations that are coming, and I think it makes it difficult for them to quantify sometimes those offline pieces, but the reality is different discussions happen face to face than happen online. I started blogging about a month ago in communitygrouptherapy.com.
One of the posts I did was about why I’m blogging, and whether or not corporations today are supporting employee blogging, which I think is an interesting topic. I think Microsoft has been very aggressive, and we’re extremely supportive of employee blogging, but there lots of issues with this. Some companies worry and say “Hey, this guy HAS a full time job.” I don’t have time for my person to be out blogging all day. In some ways my response to that as both a blogger and a participant in the communities, much like your user group example, is “What do I have to do that’s more valuable to me than blogging and having that conversation with other like minded people, getting different perspectives and different points of view.”
If you’re not doing that, then the answer to every forward looking question is based on the knowledge that you had that was probably internally gathered, so it really broadens your view and brings new insights to discussions.
 [Dave] What new plans can you share with us for the MVP programme publicly – this is non-NDA content, so please tell us anything you can share about what’s in store for the MVPs over the next couple of years.
I think there are a few things that always come to mind for me. One is probably my favourite area that I wrestle a lot with is this whole concept of third-party created or user generated content. I believe firmly that there’s more great content and answers about using Microsoft products beyond Microsoft.com managed properties than inside our properties.
MVPs are often times the authors of that content. But it’s also the community at large answering questions, and as much as I think that statement’s true in English, as I get beyond English it’s even more true that the great content’s in third party communities. So the question then becomes “How do we as a company do a better job of acknowledging all that content and answers, and delivering all that value back to our users as they come through our support experiences, whether they’re a consumer, or an IT pro, or a developer.”
So it then starts to make you think about technologies like tagging. For example, how you might think about tagging different kinds of services. I wonder, what would an MVP do if I gave them the ability to tag content that I would render via Search? Probably, they’d go tag all their own content. That’s not a bad thing, right? There’s great content there, and I could be more inclusive of that content and how we deliver value back to our customers.
 [Dave] I think we’ve started taking note of that ourselves. On the NextGen we’ve started using that sort of technology with videos.
 [Rich] Yeah, the soap box videos, and also even looking at blogs on MSDN.com, doing a search for nextgen, and putting that out to the site, saying “What are Microsoft saying about us?” The content is then having a second use.
Tagging’s a funny example, but it’s one I really like because I think at first people are very confused about tagging, and why would you tag, and why is this going to be better? And in some ways I think site specific tagging is only moderately interesting. I think the first impression most people have of tagging is it’s a just a different user interface experience. It’s a different way to nav instead of tabbed browsing, it’s a different way to drill through content. Where I think tagging becomes very powerful is where you start to tag multi-property. Things like delicious and what they’ve done sets a good model for how we think about extending our reach to all these third party pieces of content.
 [Dave] Well, I think we’ll let Sean get on. He’s got a busy day. Any more chance of getting a barbecue?
 [Rich] Not with the rain like this!
(laughing) Yeah, if my barbecue was a little bigger I might be able to accommodate almost two thousand people here, but I think my wife would kill me, so we’d probably be better to leave the barbecue for another trip.
 [Dave] Sean, thanks very much.
My pleasure, thank you. |